Hi Mike,
How can you still believe Watchtower slander of every other faith? Do you still sympathize with your puppet masters in Brooklyn?
Cheers!
Rex
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ex-JW Christians Suck!
by mikepence inthere, i said it.. how can you leave one brainwashing controlling world view and dive right into another?!.
duh!!!.
see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17131&site=3 for a great example of why they suck.. aaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhh!.
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God ordered abortions?
by Julie ini have a question.
i have asked it in a private discussion with a fundamentalist who cowardly ignored the whole premise of the thought and am hoping there is someone here who can address it.. i am aware of the fact that abortion is one hot button topic.
it is not my intention to make this a debate about abortion.
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Hi Julie,
Taking a literal view of the events, it is obvious that God took full reposibility for His judgement. None of it actually speaks to abortion, God's judgement is reserved in a category that excludes all human choice. Indeed, He tells us that our days are numbered by Him, that He is sovereign and in control. All events in history will work toward the greater good regardless of how they look to us. Some can't deal with that and the use idea that "God is love" by ignoring His holiness, vengeance and wrath in what I call "Oprah Winfrey theology". It's patently unbiblical and dishonest to teach that. People can and do pin whatever label they want on judgement and the problem of permission of evil.
I've seen people healed where doctors have no idea why the person lives and I have seen people die for seemingly no reason, then found out the 'silver lining' that later emerged.
"To be absent from the body is to be present with Christ", says it all for the believer. We are just passing through this world for a time and a season, living a life of struggle yet emerging victorious in glory (by that I mean heaven).
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Religious repression - Western style
by expatbrit inan interesting article on why we shouldn't get too smug and self-righteous about our supposed liberal and free western society.
the disease of fundamentalist religion still manifests symptoms in so-called "free" west:.
body and mind: religious repression - western style: appliance of science: the row over embryonic stem cell research shows that plenty of minds in the 'secular' west are still happy to suppress science, warns thomas barlow .
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Extrabrit,
You are a whining, snivelling little sod who probably got beat up frequently by protestant and catholic bullies. As I said in another thread, you still reason with the Watchtower slander firmly inplanted in your ideas.
Cheerio,
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God ordered abortions?
by Julie ini have a question.
i have asked it in a private discussion with a fundamentalist who cowardly ignored the whole premise of the thought and am hoping there is someone here who can address it.. i am aware of the fact that abortion is one hot button topic.
it is not my intention to make this a debate about abortion.
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Hi Richard,
Perhaps you need to go over my reply again. You missed the 'sovereignty of God' reasoning (or ignored it) completely. You also failed to acknowledge that we have very much chosen our own fates by our own free will, as has Satan.
You are obviously either blinded to, ignorant of or intentionally ignore the reasoning that the apostle Paul uses in Romans. If you want an explanation of election/free will just look up 'Calvinism' in your favorite search program.
I see that you have not taken my advice to read either "Mere Christianity" by Lewis or "Basic Christianity" by Stott. Neither of them are 'fundys' as you would describe them.
You jump gleefully to agreeemnt with Julie's questions even before you reason out the valid response I gave.
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God ordered abortions?
by Julie ini have a question.
i have asked it in a private discussion with a fundamentalist who cowardly ignored the whole premise of the thought and am hoping there is someone here who can address it.. i am aware of the fact that abortion is one hot button topic.
it is not my intention to make this a debate about abortion.
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Hi Julie,
An analogy may be in order. As you know, our own race's rebellion has left us separated from God because of His holiness and righteousness. We are as such, objects of wrath until we take advantage of His mercifull grace through the propitiation of Jesus sacrifice, literally God dying AS us to save us from His own judgement.
We are left to 'fend for ourselves' (within His permission) as are Satan and his cohorts (within His permission). God already has a plan in place, knowing what the cost will be to have true 'free will' individuals to love Him for who He is.
We make the choices in this world and we suffer the effects of bad decisions by our leaders and ourselves. God can and has stepped in at the right moments to 'tweak' events in order to lessen the overall evil that could have happened had He not done so.At the end of WW2 our government faced a decision. We could either destroy the Japanese religion and their will to fight or face the prospect of losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians (maybe millions, all told) and another year of war.
The Japanese were even training their women and children to fight, they had proved they would even use suicide as a tactic, they had butchered most prisoners of war and untold numbers of civilians in conquered countries.
We chose to use the atom bomb, and had to do it twice. People died horrible deaths but let me ask you, how many were saved in hindsight? We also fire bombed German cities to break their will to fight. These countries BROUGHT THIS ON THEMSELVES, yes, even their children!What price is too great to save the whole world from divine judgement? Are a few souls in Palestine taken home to God (as the innocent children were!) in order to bring the messianic line to fruition too much to ask to bring whole world back into the graces of God.
Look at this world and tell me that man can manage his own affairs, no thank you, God we don't need you. I believe that if not for divine intervention we would have busted our own planet back during the cold war.
Can you see now that the WTC bombing may have awakened the world to the terrorists threat BEFORE they got a working nuclear bomb to use on innocents?
Can you see the great good that has been brought about despite the deaths of 911, the outpouring of charity and togetherness, the world working together to root out real, evil, religious fundamentalism?
I hope I have expressed my thoughts clearly.
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God ordered abortions?
by Julie ini have a question.
i have asked it in a private discussion with a fundamentalist who cowardly ignored the whole premise of the thought and am hoping there is someone here who can address it.. i am aware of the fact that abortion is one hot button topic.
it is not my intention to make this a debate about abortion.
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Hi Julie,
You ask such pointed questions and that shows a strong mind and genuine interest in your topic. As a Christian who believes as you said, I must tell you that there are three possible answers according to a Christian's view of scripture.1) God ordered the destruction of certain tribes or nations who had been forewarned well in advance. As God, He has the right to take the lives of those whom He has created and in fact, every one of us lives only as long as God allows us to. I could go on for pages with this in an apologetic fashion. (Literal, inerrant)
2) Israel was justifying it's own actions but attributing them to God. (critical)
3) This is not a literal act of God but a instructional story about God's wrath. Liberal Christianity will point out that this does not line up with the revelation of Jesus Christ (in their opinion) as described in the gospel accounts. (inspired, non-literal)
The sovereignty of an almighty God cannot be in question, otherwise He is not almighty. Even Satan has to seek permission on how far he can take acts of cruelty with humanity. God by definition has to be ALL of His divine attributes; love, mercy, justice, holiness, vengeance, etc...He doesn't have to give us reasons and we cannot see the big picture, nor even 1% of the big picture. His "thoughts are not our thoughts" as the Psalmist says.
"God loved Jacob but hated Esau." "I will show mercy on whom I show mercy."JWs not only try to rationalize these things but they also refuse to admit that man has an immortal soul, as every other major religion believes. We are a higher creation that exists within a physical body, therefore this life is only a small part of our timeless existence. We are all just passing through as actors on a stage called earth.
See ya later, sweets.
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A Sad Example of JW Brainwashing /Twisted Thinking
by puppylove inthis is the instant message conversation i had with my sister in law on friday.
it makes me so sad because i think that she in her heart recognizes the truth of what i am saying, but then the jw brainswashing takes over and she just stops thinking.. sorry it's so long!!.
c: you are very special to me.. c: i love you deeply.
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You are right on the money. My sis is the same way and she saw a Apostate Care Package before she started studying again, after being df, married three times. Now she is drawing hubby number three into the mess and I am patiently awaiting his reaction when he finds out that SHE is supposed to be his serf. The stupidity of my family is overwhelming and after the UN expose they don't call or e-mail me at all.
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Mere Christianity: logical reasoning
by Rex B13 inmere christianity: excerpt.
chapter one.
every one has heard people quarrelling.
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BTW, Sixty_Nine and Rem,
Please don't blame little old me for keeping you from reading Lewis' works. That is a shallow and tranparent excuse for you merely doing exactly as you originally intended. You attempt to use it in order to 'shame me' into shutting up. I am not intimidated in the least.
If our Lord was able to take the humiliation and anguish of the death on the cross then I will gladly be called a 'fool' by any who oppose Him and His word.Hey Hillary,
The Lord God Almighty is the only true "I Am". There are only two types of things in the multiverse: the Creator and the created!
Thanks also to D. Wilt and Ashi for the assist.
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Mere Christianity: logical reasoning
by Rex B13 inmere christianity: excerpt.
chapter one.
every one has heard people quarrelling.
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ROFL
Pardon my laughter at you, Sixty-Nine.
You just pulled a quote out of context from Lewis' writings. I guess that old JW learning dies hard, eh?
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what purpose religion?
by teejay inlast night a program remembered the japanese attack on pearl harbor sixty years ago.
amidst all the historical details, a story of a serviceman stood out.
he was a youngster then, still in his teens and stationed in hawaii, when he sent his mom a card to let her know of his condition.
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>Or is it simply to fill the worshippers head with facts and instill a fear of a powerful diety who's very hard to please? To let us know that we aren't doing enough, probably can never do enough, leaving us feeling depressed and unloved, uncared for?
Why religion, I wondered. What purpose should it serve?True enough, "For all sin and fall short of the glory of God" and "the wages of sin is death...but (that's a key connecting word here) the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord".
James, you don't have to reconcile scripture with every skeptical question asked, to feel the very power of God you just need to give yourself to Him and let His death, His work on the cross justify you and lead to your sanctification.
You served a organisation that used you to further its own interests. They subverted the gospel for a false gospel of trying to earn righteousness. Surely you've heard by now that we are saved by grace through faith and not our own works. He chooses to save us DESPITE our offering nothing to Him in comparison. We can only offer to love Him and acknowledge Him as Lord...and that is all He wants.
Get away from the idea that only what you see, hear and feel matters and exists (naturalism). Our senses are unreliable and we are trapped in spiritual darkness. That is what binds us into denying God, not any alleged lack of intellectual thought in His word. We are beings designed to live eternally, but not in physical bodies separated from the very source of life in the universe. Doesn't it seem as if every major faith ever known teaches the immortality of the soul in one form or another?
Isn't it logical that so many similiar qualities that we find in so many faiths have all emerged from one source: the eternal, the existant, the "I am" from Exodus 6.2 and other passages? Accepting your own immortality alone is getting halfway out of the religious quicksand that the Watchtower has placed you in.
Have a nice Sunday. I'm going to spend it praising His name, communing with the Holy Spirit and teaching His wisdom. Peace be with you, James."A lonely man cries for love and has none. Cold hearted orb that rules the night, robbing colors from our sight, making red 'gray' and yellow 'white'. But who knows which is right and which is an illusion?"
(from "Nights in White Satin")
Rex